Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn’t been debilitated and now he’s half machine and half man, so he’s lost a lot of the power of the Force, and he’s lost a lot of his ability to be more powerful then the Emperor. The actual exchange broken down: *Starkiller thinks about why Vader is doing all this*, Starkiller: “Your training made me strong enough to escape you, not obey you.”, Vader: “Yet here you are. Not sure what you meant by this but the fact that Starkiller is running on empty, it will automatically lowers his fighting ability, something that's been brought up many times in Legends continuity. “ To be honest, I don't blame Billy for getting annoyed. FILMSTARTS.de : In einem nun veröffentlichten Interview sprach George Lucas über eine seiner Ideen für die neuen „Star Wars“-Sequels. “Only power.”. If I had known about his leg wound" - Darth Maul, Journal. Why would Vader manipulating some dead stormtrooper's blasters after saying he would "show Maul the power of the Darkside" be indicative of anything? This will be absolutely my last comment to you. ... Korbanth TFU2 Starkiller Special Edition Saber. I don't want to downplay either. @killbilly: It's a contest between two of my favourite Sith, lol. Seems pretty close to me. Also all the people insisting that Vader didn't want to use the force on Maul are forgetting when he explicitly showboated trying to. An exhausted Starkiller. It is because of my wound. He would have used the Force on Maul, at least to get some pause, if he could. Asking you not to put up some baseless and arbitrary arguments to keep together your Galen wank is too much. @breakofdawn:My point is that he's been actively drawing upon the Force for thirteen days straight, during which he remained conscious and utilised it heavily so that - once he came out of it - he was ready to fight. Lol. The entire comic is non canon and thus has no bearing on anything:”. "The Sith Lord was borne backward by the Jedi Knight's initial rush, caught off guard by the other's wild assault, and pressed all the way back to the far wall of the melting pit. I certainly didn't anyways. Also if you want to put forward that Marz was saying Vader could beat Maul with the force. The Jedi has an advantage. Instead he gets a bunch of "toy soldiers" to shoot blasters. I don't see how one could think the amount of time Vader gave Starkiller between defeating his clones and attacking him would have been enough for him to recover his energies, especially since Vader was specifically trying to weaken Starkiller beforehand. Darth Maul Lightsaber. Why Vader is the odd man out, yet no other character seems to be is...really baffling. But the same was true in reverse. Now YOU tagged me, and even the last time, because you can’t stand when your pupil is touched by the truth and when Resurrection springs up you have the need to break everyone’s balls with your biased butthurt. Captain Kirk And Co In The Arena On Geonosis. “Also, my "pupil?" Starkiller = Darth Maul(Clone Wars spoilers) Star Wars Topic Archived; You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. You are trying to put in his mouth that Maul wasn’t related to the original one, but it’s just disingenuous. Of course he's relying on the Force, if he wasn't he'd be dead given he'd been completely deprived of food, water and rest for multiple weeks. There were no circumstances, only Maul’s skill against Vader’s. Then why subvert that goal by weakening him in the first place? This is simply headcanon. Anakin WOULD have been able to defeat Sidious it if he hadn't lost his potential but, as we know, he did. The Force flowed through him. There's no reason to assume it would take him that long to reach Vader and there's also no reason to assume that Starkiller is "regaining his strength" during this period since he's actively using the Force in order to pursue Vader and would likely be directing it towards other things such as maintaining his passive defenses and trying to sense and enhance his awareness of his surroundings in order to ensure he's not caught off guard by another of Vader's tricks. Re: Starkiller vs Darth Maul (melee combat only) on February 24th 2020, 8:24 am Azronger wrote: The intent of my non-canon fanfiction where Vader stomps Revan was to show how a fight between those two would go. They suggested Vader could TRY to destroy them with the Force and he MIGHT succeed. Instead, he toyed with a soldier blaster to hit Maul. Who will win in a fight between Lord Starkiller and Darth Maul? I have read his journal, and I see that he kept a secret from me. camilopezo. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Hence, if we believe the doppleganger Vader fought possesses the same power as Maul, he gets atomized ( not that any of this is relevant since it's non canon... ). It was the Prophets’ suggestion to Vader. Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links. @killbilly: Haven't forgotten about our debate btw - had uni work to get through - but worth noting is exactly what Lucas said about ESB Vader: "At this point, Vader’s plan really, now that he knows he’s his son, is to convince him to come with him. He is questioning even this, and there are no excuses, bar secondary goals, which are clear knowing him. The acolytes believed this so fervently that they actively prevented the Maul doppelganger from attacking Vader until they had acquired his agreement to not use the Force to destroy them and the doppelganger. TFU 2 Vader definitely doesn't scale above Obi-Wan even a couple of years after ROTS. Nothing in this quote makes him sub ROTS Anakin, even. Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links. He was the only one left—of the many Darth Vader had created to do his bidding. But no, he doesn't. “My most deadly creation.”, “You lie!” Starkiller jumped up to the next platform, passion stirring him to action. It won't change a thing and it makes discrediting all of your other bad takes that much easier. How is he meant to stop him? Very different situations but I guess expecting you to acknowledge context was asking too much, lol. Or a clone. Now Amped TPM Kenobi > Vader? “It may or may not possess the original Maul's skills.”. But likewise force use in the duel against Maul was never discussed or prohibited. It was a fluke, if it hadn't occurred, Vader would have been the victor.”. He isn’t saying Vader would have destroyed them for sure if he used the force. Maul tagged Vader several times, with Vader only cutting in two Maul’s saberstaff, a weakness already exploited by lesser foes as TPM Kenobi. Because Resurrection is there and TPM Maul > Vader in dueling in Legends is a fact, even if your precious Galen doesn’t like it. Who will win in a fight between Team Lord Starkiller and Team Darth Caedus? The tips of his lightsabers shook. Yes, it is irrilevant. You are desperately trying to defend Vader for your pupil Galen benefit, but that’s it: ANH Vader is a sub-TPM Maul duelist, Force or not. Here's where you apply the double standard of calling out such a view as ridiculous while arguing shit like TPM Kenobi > Vader. With a roar he forced his way through a wall of Rebels, slashing and hacking as he went. You might even succeed.". - Star Wars Battlegrounds: Clone Campaigns: Darth Maul Databank. His motivation to rescue Juno is likely all that's even keeping him standing at this point. Forever at war with one’s own Master? Other sources from Legends suggests it takes weeks of real food and rest to truly recover one's Force energy. And you've provided no evidence to suggest that even a full minute of concentrated restoration would bring him back to "his usual fighting levels.". All of these interpretations would be far more valid then the suggestion that Vader is capped beneath RotS Anakin since we have canonical quotes that contradict such a stance, imo. “ The comic was made in order to make money from nerds who wanted to see the cool Sith Lord from TPM fight Darth Vader.”. He's outright stated to be regaining his strength, and there's no reason to think he wouldn't continue to do so following this given how little energy he's expending by jumping from platform to platform. The text highlighted in red is of course the issue of VADER allowing them to carry out their scheme which the acolytes grant is an issue but one they use reasoning ( the green text ) to convince him goes against his best interests. He simply wants to continue on what he was doing before which is get rid of the Emperor and make himself Emperor. Period. Twin red blades flashed as he met their advance, spinning and slashing with an easy grace that belied the strength behind it. He had destroyed every last one of them. My most deadly creation.”, Starkiller: “You lie! The only obsession here is yours towards Starkiller. given that his feats with the Salvation and ISD are not TK level feats he can readily replicate in the middle of combat - instead of his "full" (AKA his ISD grounding levels of power that he only achieves through intense concentration) is not at all out there. Unlike you, I'm not somebody who can devote every waking hour to copy pasting the same shitty arguments. Nothing assures Vader could kill Maul with the Force, indeed it is confirmed he cannot because he didn’t use the force when he was in absolute danger, nor he used it to show Maul “what the Dark Side could do”. Join the dark side and together they’re going to overthrow the Emperor, which is the thematic devices used through the whole movies in terms of the Sith, which is Sith Lords are usually no more than two because if there are three, then two of them will gang up on one to try to become the dominate Sith. My point was that both Vader and the acolytes are portrayed as believing that there is a power gap that exists between them that would allow Vader to circumvent the acolytes plan for Vader the doppelganger to duel. The context of the story presented in the comic and the creator of the comic itself make it clear that the fight was not representative of two opposing sides fighting on equal footing to the best of their abilities. Saying over and over again "he couldn't reach his potential!" The battle would never cease until one of them won. Then, he defeated him and put him on his ass. The comic was CONCEIVED to have a Maul vs Vader fight, to show the fans who was better. @killbilly: Wasn't Lucas' ESB commentary about ESB Vader, thus putting him far below Anakin? Darth Maul vs Starkiller Rules: Darth Maul has his Duel Saber and Starkiller has two Light Sabers / The battle takes place in the middle of an open desert / Both of them are at their peak / Each of them has access to all known abilities / No retreat, No surrender. As was already mentioned, the author confirms that the dialogue in the panel is in reference to Vader using the Force to destroy them and the Maul doppelganger. Lmfao, you take this stuff way too seriously dude. Als Starkiller macht sich Galen auf, die verbleibenden Jedi-Ritter im Auftrag von Darth Vader zu ermorden. Second, SK surprised him with lightning as you well know: Before Vader could strike, Starkiller turned. “Then they manipulate him into fighting Maul in sabers rather than exploiting the Force (note that he never tries to use the Force offensively bar one time to force Maul to move the battlefield). Just a copy paste since you're not worth wasting time on. Non canon events are not representative of anything in continuity because they are not apart of it. It's my interpretation that you can read more about in my Resurrection blog. I'm not saying i agree with it but people like to use this quote and others to put Vader sub TPM Kenobi. The distraction lasted only a moment, but it was enough. And so is Galen, to your lament. “I don't have to defend somebody from something that isn't true. This doesn't prevent him from regaining the power he lost which he is confirmed to have done as early as ANH. 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